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RE: SF 2.0?

StrataFrame Team — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:47:00 GMT

You are only too right, Larry. And everyone else who has chimed-in in this thread and others over the years.

It's the nature of the software business to have feature-creep, so we've always had the feeling that SFv2 just isn't quite ready. And by ready, I mean commercially ready.

Does it have everything we (meaning Ben) want in it? No.

Does it have documentation and samples? Not written down (it's all in my head, just have to pry it out ).

Does it have full unit test coverage? Ummm....

But you MicroFour is using it themselves, right? Yes, loads. All of our new projects, and new assemblies in old projects are SFv2 for the data access.

(and the $1M question(s)) So, why can't we start playing with it? C'mon, man! Does it have to be 100% before we can take a look? ... ... *crickets* Well, no.

We're using it. And we've come to the point where I don't know why you guys can't start using it some, too. There are big chunks missing (no new DDT, yet) (saving doesn't cascade through a tree), but there's soooo much stuff that makes it really worthwhile (multi-level undo) (OutlinedQueries (my absolute new best friend)) (EntityCollectionView.Filter "wait, did you just use a lambda for a filter?" yep) that there's no reason you can't have it in what we can call, say, "Alpha." Beta once we fill in all of the modules, and Release once we have full documentation and it's commercially ready. There are some 40 projects in the solution (templates, the visx, testing framework, working projects are all included in that), and we're going to release about 15 of them.

The truth is, it's ready to have some other eyes on it. Enhancement requests, questions, watching how others use it, and documentation requests will help it mature far faster than keeping it locked up.

So... I'm just going to leave this here... and you guys can do with it what you will...

http://forumv2.strataframe.net

All of your users (email logins) have been converted over to the new forum, but you'll have to reset your passwords (some new hash/salt storage where I can't move those over).

I promise I will keep an eye on my email and send you license files as quickly as I can.

Edit: Sorry about posting as Trent earlier. Didn't realize that I was still logged in as him when I was testing some logins.

SF 2.0?

Chan — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:47:00 GMT

Hi,
I was hearing about SF 2.0 for quite a long time, which mentioned will be including a lot of fanstatic features such as LINQ support, ORM mapper and etc. I would like to know, what is your roadmap for this? Will it be 2008, 2009 or... all this features will be released incrementally?

Thank you

RE: SF 2.0?

Andrew Harper — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:52:02 GMT

This is really welcome and long overdue news Trent. Like Larry I had just about given up on a new release.

I will look forward to downloading and investigating the alpha release and participating in the new forums.

Unfortunately I am about to go on vacation but will look forward to the reaction and following progress.

Best regards,

Andy

RE: SF 2.0?

Trent L. Taylor — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:12:52 GMT

[Wrong login - see below Andrew's reply]

RE: SF 2.0?

Larry Caylor — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:03:09 GMT

This is probably the longest running thread on the forum and I may be wasting my time adding to it but hopefully someone from StrataFrame/MicroFour will provide some answers.

Since 2006, StrataFrame and the Enterprise application server has enabled my staff to quickly develop a number of high performance business applications to meet the unique needs of our business. Some of these applications are critical to our day-to-day operation. While I'm very satisfied with the product I'm becoming concerned that I've got a lot riding on something that appears to be all but abandoned by its vendor. Other than Ben, I haven't seen anyone from MicroFour on the forum is the last couple of years. Emails sent to MicroFour staff via the forum go unanswered. What used to be the best support I've ever seen from a software vendor has deteriorated to just about the worst. While I have the source to the majority of the framework there are parts that I don't have, like the Enterprise server, which makes me nervous when I see vendor support slipping. So far Ben has come through and fixed bugs in these areas (which I greatly appreciate) but I'm wondering how long I can expect that to continue.

I would really appreciate it if MicroFour would be more transparent about the future of this product. Is there ever going to be a SF 2.0 or maybe event a SF 1.8 that utilizes the new object model that they are already using in their medical applications? If not will there be any future enhancements to SF 1.0? Is the current release the end of the line and if so how long can I expect to maintain compatibility with future version of Visual Studio and SQL Server? Is there any good reason to continue to pay software support?

-Larry

RE: SF 2.0?

Richard Keller — Fri, 02 Sep 2016 08:34:46 GMT

The solution is simple... SF 2.0 and 1.xxx should be open sourced. There are several people who could or would extend it. Should be a Nuget package anyways and let the people who were loyal in the beginning use it. I loved SF and used it the Server product until I saw the degradation of support from the best I ever seen to the worst there ever has been.

Open Source it guys. Even unfinished people can try and pickup the pieces.

RE: SF 2.0?

Olivier — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 04:32:02 GMT

i suggest to you to consider paradigm solution, it's difficult to find, cause it's not the easier solution, but it's the durable and popular solution.

MVC in the web development is become a paradigm solution for the web and the smartphone solution.

I suggest to you to consider Entity Framework like , the durable solution pour .net development, it's different from strata, but, you ll find more sample on stackoverflow,
the deployment exists so, it's call migration.

And the road map run like they say.

Sorry, if the scenario look like Foxpro changes, and strata changes, but it s a real solution.

https://docs.efproject.net/en/latest/intro.html

RoapMap for the EF 7

https://github.com/aspnet/EntityFramework/wiki/Roadmap

I suggest to you to start with 6.3 with poco solution , reverse engennering exists, don't take the model solution, just code first, it's the start to use EF in the futur witn 7.X

thanks
Olivier,

RE: SF 2.0?

Jericho Johnson — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:18:20 GMT

Hello All,

I too have practically given up hope that there will ever be a StrataFrame 2.0.

I really want it, and I would pay for it.

But the lack of communication is quite disturbing. It is great that Ivan and Ben are still active in the forums, supporting the users, but I just noticed that Trent hasn't logged into the forums since November 2015.

If MicroFour could just let us know what is going on, even once a quarter, it would be really helpful. If you have chosen to let StrataFrame die, just have the decency to let us know.

I really want SF 2.0.

Please update us.

Thanks,

Jericho

RE: SF 2.0?

Rainer Kempf, RK — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:13:56 GMT

Hello to All

This Message i wrote from more then one year ago.....

Hello Guys from Strataframe,

I am really disapointet from you.
Really big annoucements on Januray from Trent :

In February we will be releasing a blog for both myself and for Ben and we will keep you more apprised of the goings on through there.
But we too are ready to have SF V2 out the door!! Thanks for your support!

I can't really understood your politics about sharing Information with us (Developers).
What is the Problem ?

I don't talk about a release Date.
I am talking about sharing Information.

Slowly i belive that the Version 2.0 will never released...

I had the same experience with a VFP Framework......

I just hope that i'm wrong.....

Since this time nothing really changed .....:Whistling::blush::crying:

So maybe we can get a little Update ????

thank you

Rainer

RE: SF 2.0?

Olivier — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 05:27:22 GMT

Hi,

I know by trent tha strata inherit from entity framework.

Ms decide to change the way for Entity Framework 7.0 before 6.0.

Does Stratra ll be compatible with entity 7.0 ? or not ?

Can you say little more about strata and entity, and where you are at the moment ?

So if you use this new library for your Medical App, what the différence about the version 2.0 that we wait ?

thanks

RE: SF 2.0?

Olivier — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:04:04 GMT

Hector,

All the developper in majority developp with WinForm , and i use WebForm which is under severe ordeal.

The Foundation or the basis of strataframe for the web , don't work correctly and cause some problems duplications or lose data when the user input.
cause the business object are stored in variable session. (Sort of public variable which we can loose data if we are in wifi, 3g or so long in the time.)

So the best way for me is to use Entity Framework, when trent or ben show the new strata inherit entity , i had hope cause the fundation is different for the web.

My be this feature ll come in september. But it's simple to communicate with a community, in up to date Blog.

The announce in the website, is about 2012.

I think sincerly , that strata is not the priority of microfour, and it's the same like product open source, the service ans support are better in a bigger internationnal company.

Sorry for this analysis.

i continue to see if any update come, cause i found that deployment toolkit it's a great product and he has'nt equivalent in the market,

RE: SF 2.0?

hector — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:46:44 GMT

Hi folks,

I do understand all of you and i also suffered similar issues in this form

But i still believe in this product and version 2.0 and i think we should be patient and trust Trent's team.

I am not advocate of MicroFour , I am a just a developer as you.

I am just sharing my sincere opinions with SF community knowing that building a solid product is not such a easy process.

MicroFour's medical application also use this framework and this is out guarantee that this product will be released in a not a very long time period.

What Trent's team created so far also is a guarantee of what they will create.

As a last word, I suggest to Trent's team to share the progress of the product and i am sure that nobody will take this as a commitment

Kind regards to all folks

RE: SF 2.0?

Olivier — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:12:58 GMT

Hello,

may be the best way is to use in parallel a library with entity framework from ms.

the deployment toolkit it s Great product and is missing in ms world.

But big company can be alternate, cause they bring a new feature each new version and any information in their website at time.

it s hard time for strata and us but we can develop in parallel with other stable product .

RE: SF 2.0?

Keith Chisarik — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:47:15 GMT

Long time SF user, many licenses paid, classes attended, posts written, I feel at this point very sad about the current state of things.

This post was started in 2008, 7 years ago, nuff said. Many posts, promises, etc, come and gone.

I was here because I am about to start a new major development, was praying for a ray of hope that I could use SF (WinForms is just not viable for new product development in 2015 sorry)

Not going to say anything bad, because I like Trent personally, but professionally I could not be more disappointed.

RE: SF 2.0?

Rainer Kempf, RK — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 09:25:48 GMT

Hello Guys from Strataframe,

I am really disapointet from you.
Really big annoucements on Januray from Trent :

In February we will be releasing a blog for both myself and for Ben and we will keep you more apprised of the goings on through there.
But we too are ready to have SF V2 out the door!! Thanks for your support!

I can't really understood your politics about sharing Information with us (Developers).
What is the Problem ?

I don't talk about a release Date.
I am talking about sharing Information.

Slowly i belive that the Version 2.0 will never released...

I had the same experience with a VFP Framework......

I just hope that i'm wrong.....

thank you

Rainer

RE: SF 2.0?

Larry Caylor — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 13:16:13 GMT

It's been about six months since the last update on SF 2.0, are there any updates? Also VS 2015 is scheduled to be released July 20th, will there be a corresponding release of SF 1.0 that is compatible?

-Larry

RE: SF 2.0?

Larry Caylor — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 15:21:26 GMT

I'm wondering the same thing.

RE: SF 2.0?

Andrew Harper — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 05:04:45 GMT

Hi,

Just wondering if there was any update on progress with version 2 and the proposed developer blogs?

Wrapping Up

More than anything we wanted to tell everyone how much we appreciate the StrataFrame community. I know that it has been frustrating waiting on us to get this out, and we apologize for the delays. But we have built a solid team here at MicroFour and StrataFrame V2 is well underway. We will be pushing out several blogs as well that we will publish and send out a community wide notification. Two of the blogs will include both Trent and Ben’s blogs which will show StrataFrame progress as well as…well…whatever they feel like talking about.

If you have any questions or want to know about something we did not cover, please email us and let us know. Thanks for your continued support and we are extremely excited about the future of StrataFrame and this great community!

Best regards, Andy

RE: SF 2.0?

Rogerio Mauri — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:50:14 GMT

Guys, you have created an excellent tool.

Do not give up the project !!!!

Believe in the dream.

I have a dream... SF 2.0

RE: SF 2.0?

Trent L. Taylor — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:54:26 GMT

Oliver, I am not going to give any dates. We are wanting it just as badly as you guys, so we are working on it with gusto. Trust me, as soon as we feel comfortable handing out a date, we will make it public knowledge. We will have a beta before the release and you would definitely qualify for being part of that. We will have a sign-up list for the beta when we get a little further. So as part of the beta you can get your hands on it a little sooner. Sorry I can't give you a more concrete answer.

RE: SF 2.0?

Olivier — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 03:06:57 GMT

Hello Trent,

You think that the new version ll be available for second quarter Q2 ?

thanks
Olivier

RE: SF 2.0?

Trent L. Taylor — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:47:17 GMT

[quote]Personally, I love all the features of the current SF1 BO simply because I have exploited all to my advantage, filtering, sorting, navigation, filling the ADO data table, ExecuteScalar, etc. so looking forward to get my hands into the new SFE objects. [/quote]

And the new entities do all of that and so much more and far more efficiently!

RE: SF 2.0?

Edhy Rijo — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:13:31 GMT

Hi Trent,
[quote][b]Trent L. Taylor (1/28/2015)[/b][hr]Just to clarify, it is not the "Entity Framework" from Microsoft, but it is an entity object model.
...the binding in WPF is one thing that is WAY better. But the binding will be true for Windows Forms as well in regards to no longer needing the BBS.[/quote]
Awesome news. I am more excited for the new entity object model "SFE" because I am using lot of DevExpress controls and no having to create a BBS will be a great deal to me.

I know that with the upcoming Windows 10 and MS Universal Applications, some things will change on the UI, but having an Entity Object we can use from Windows Form, WPF, ASPX or vNext it is a real convenience.

Personally, I love all the features of the current SF1 BO simply because I have exploited all to my advantage, filtering, sorting, navigation, filling the ADO data table, ExecuteScalar, etc. so looking forward to get my hands into the new SFE objects.

RE: SF 2.0?

Trent L. Taylor — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:03:10 GMT

> Will the user security model remain the same or be completely changed?

It will be very similar in regards to the features and functionality. The code will be completely new, but the logic and implementation will be very similar. There are some things that were missed in regards to Windows Integration that will be better implemented this go around. But most all of the functionality that exists now will move forward.

> Will the new entity objects bind directly to third party controls without the need for a business binding source?

Great questions...and the great news is that there will no longer be the need for the business binding source! You can bind directly to 3rd party controls with no wrapper. Aside from that, the binding in WPF is one thing that is WAY better. But the binding will be true for Windows Forms as well in regards to no longer needing the BBS.

RE: SF 2.0?

Aaron Young — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 14:26:29 GMT

Trent,

All sounds good.

Sorry for the questions but I have a couple more:

Will the user security model remain the same or be completely changed?

Will the new entity objects bind directly to third party controls without the need for a business binding source?

Aaron