Future plans - WPF and Silverlight


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Bill Mason
Bill Mason
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Hello,

My trial period has expired but I am glad to see that I can still post a question.  I have read here before that plans for version 2 should be around mid year and that you have plans to support Silverlight and WPF.

I am also evaluating DevForce and have been very impressed with their support for SL & WPF.  As a matter of fact, Winforms and Webforms seem to have been pushed back and most everything in their product is now pointing in this new direction.

Now to my questions.

1.  I was wondering if someone could expand on exactly what your plans are around SL & WPF?  I am not pushing the schedule issue because I know how that works and besides, by the time I can be up to speed on your product, June should be here!  I am interested in how you plan to tie them into your products and how this will affect the way StrataFrame is used.

2.  I also have been wondering about the role of Enterprise Server.  It seems to me (with my limited knowledge) that using ES with Silverlight would be the way to go.  Would this be considered a Best Practise?

Overall I am very impressed with Strataframe and it seems to fit my programming style very well.  I love the Database deployment utility and can't imagine deploying an app without the benefit of the security roles module.  I just am concerned about making the right choice as relates to the newer technology.

Thanks,
Bill Mason

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Basically we are looking into MVVC pattern now. If SF can support and auto "move" us to this model/pattern with minimal changes, this would be great. It would dramatically enhance our architecture.
Charles R Hankey
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The Microfour team is a collection of some of the brightest guys I know, but I think it is unrealistic to think they are going to be able to move you "with minimum changes" from a winforms - BO based on datasets design to WPF - MVVM - Entity Framework.  

The basis of the MVVM design pattern is that there is no awareness in the View Model of the View ( the WPF UI ).  Ideally there is no code-behind in the WPF.  This means you can test your View Model entirely without UI and you can design UI ( the WPF View ) with something like Expression Blend without knowing anything about the View Model other than what properties it exposes.  

If you consider the design of a winform and its tight coupling with the business layer you can see just how different that is.

And of course the future is entirely in the Entity Framework, so there is a complete rethinking of the data layer.

The good news is that a lot of the code in a winform is just unnecessary in WPF, since the binding model in WPF is so much more sophisticated than in Winforms.  And because SF has always been designed with n-Tier in mind, you probably have the really important business logic referencing the business layer and that means moving it to the view model can be done logically.

But don't have any illusions about the new paradigm.  WPF - MVVM - EF model - SQLServer is a lot more of a head-shift from current SF --Winforms - BO - SQLServer  even than VFP to .NET with Strataframe.

But hey, what doesn't change is the mental horsepower and agility that is not platform dependent Smile  

Trent and Ben and the gang are quite capable of mentally bridging the gap between current design and future design goals.  

My hope is that they find it feasible from a business point of view to put in the incredible amount of work it takes to basically design an entirely new framework and bring to that something that would make SF WPF EF a strong contender in the marketplace by leveraging DDT to work with architectural design structures like Prism and Cinch to deliver value-added for all the people who are familiar with the direction this new ( just becoming really usable in 4.0 ) paradigm is taking and are still looking for help in increasing RAD capabilities and addressing data structure deployment issues to existing data that are handled so well in DDT.  

I think there is room for such a tool, but I don't underestimate the resources and time it would take to create it.


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Just reading all the stuff out there now since MS announced plans for Win 8 and tablets etc.... lots of people suggesting that Microsoft will not really be 'enhancing' Silverlight or WPF or even Dot Net ?, and that most development in the future is going to go the way of HTML5 ...Wondering how all this will affect Strataframe
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