SF 2.0?


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Larry Caylor
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Hi Jericho,

Your post is the most positive item to appear on this thread in a long time. I apologize to everyone, especially MicroFour, if my last post was somewhat negative but it had the result that I wanted in that it got everyone talking. We are all users of the product, and if you're like me, think it is absolutely the best framework for developing solid high performance applications. I've looked around and there is nothing else out there that even comes close to providing all the functionality and programmer productivity gains that SF 1.0 does. If there were never a 2.0 I would continue to use the current version for the foreseeable future.

My only request is the ALL SF customers be kept up to date on the progress/plans for a new release, especially given the very long development cycle needed to make it a reality. A simple thread on this forum with a brief monthly update would eliminate all the FUD surrounding the product. Good things are worth waiting for but in the meantime you need some assurance you're not waiting for something that is never going to happen.

Hopefully Trent will post an update shortly because I'm really excited to hear about where they are with the new version.

-Larry
Edited 9 Years Ago by Larry Caylor
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In Brazil, we are also waiting for the new version.

Rogério Mauri Smile

Rainer Kempf, RK
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Hi Guys,

The same is valid for Germany....

I read this task so often, but nothing really changeing.

I understand the it's difficult to say exact launchtime but if i would
communicate with my Customers like SF make it with us, they will kill me.

My Experience say : When i say to my Customer please look here i have this or this Problem
he see's that i am really working on his problem. Maybe i can't say ok it's finished next week or next month
but he had idea of whats going on.

Here it's like Oracle of Delphi....

i think it's not good style to say nothing... and 6 years its REALY REALY long Time.....
I bought 2 years ago last update and Trent write me at this time, they will release DDT as first part ...

so Trent wrote me on 6. Dec 2012 :

.       We are working on inand will be releasing it in phases.  The first full piece to come out willmost likely be the Database Deployment Toolkit.  We will have a betaprogram for active users as well when we make the object entity (businessobject) mapper and creation available.  So you will see new productthroughout 2013.



lets see what happens....

thanks
Rainer
Jericho Johnson
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For Everyone who is monitoring this forum topic:

Trent posted a big update about SF 2.0!!!

StataFrame 2.0 - Where We Are Now

Very encouraging.

Jericho
Larry Caylor
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Trent,

I just finished reading your latest post and I'm glad to hear that MicroFour is still alive and kicking. I can sympathize with the havoc that government regulations can cause in the private sector and was worried that, without any news otherwise, MicroFour may have become a causality. The Affordable Care Act and related changes at the State level had a huge impact on the way the organization I work for does business. But fortunately for us, as part of the government, we've received funding to deal with it. While we had to endure the resulting chaos, it didn't negatively impact our income. Having to deal with both would be a nightmare.

SF version 2 sounds very exciting and while I would love to have my hands on it yesterday, I can be patient knowing that it will eventually be released. I've wanted to see the full object model since I first started using SF and the improvements to web application development would be another big plus for me. Keep up the good work and I look forward to reading the development team's blogs.

-Larry
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Hi Trent,

Thanks for update.

My friendly and sincere suggestion to MicroFour to increase support to this form users for daily issues.

We can wait this great product while knowing SF team is near us.

We will feel our self in safe in that case.

And this will give you enough time to develop SF 2.0.

Best regards
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Larry:

I thought about you guys a time or two during this process and wondered if it would impact you.  Glad to hear that you made it through relatively unscathed.  In February we will be releasing a blog for both myself and for Ben and we will keep you more apprised of the goings on through there.  But we too are ready to have SF V2 out the door!! Thanks for your support!
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Hector:

The daily time we can now contribute to SF is also being more active in the forums.  All good advice.
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Trent,

I have to admit I feared the worst so I appreciate the update.

I look forward to hearing how severe the upgrade path is for an existing SF 1 application, i.e. is it a re-write around a significantly different SF2.

Regards,

Aaron
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Aaron:

I can address at least part of that.  I am not sure how much time you have spent in WPF, but there is a very steep learning curve to be proficient.  The concept is completely different and you have to learn how to work with multiple languages, basically.  You have all of the new classes and concepts, but you also have to learn XAML.  Conceptually WPF is 100% different and it has been my experience that you cuss it until to catch it. Smile  

There are some things that if feels like you are going backwards on, but others that are incredible regarding WPF.  The fact that it sits on top of a true graphics engine (Direct X) and can run in a less robust environments as well is pretty awesome in regards to performance.  However, the further you dig into WPF the more you see the need and importance of a framework.  That being said, StrataFrame V2 has changed philosophies moving to a true object entity model.  This means that your old BOs will be re-created as entities, which trust me, you will be happy about once you do it.  We will try and provide some tools to convert things over to a certain degree, but the objects you use now will be replaced as you move forward.

This doesn't have to all be done at once.  The good news is that you are still in .NET, so you can migrate things over a piece at a time, but in the end, you will have a new code base for your UI and business entities.  The data layer is pretty transparent, so there isn't much to do there.

Hope that at least gives you a bit of information so you can plan moving forward.
Edited 9 Years Ago by Trent L. Taylor
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